I have an HTC Touch HD which in principle is a terrific machine (fast, thin, big screen, lots of memory, etc.) but that thing is UNUSABLE for actual Web browsing.

My estimation is, that neither PIE nor the pre-installed Opera mobile are able to render more than maybe 10% of all webpages somewhat useful. Since their mutual subsets only partially overlaps, with those two browsers one can actually use maybe 15% of all webpages out there.

The remaining 85% are not useable for Windows Mobile devices. These pages don't show properly, mostly only partially, sometimes even not at all. Or if they are shown they are a mess or can't be operated. If she's with me I can at least ask my wife: "could you please look up that URL on your iPhone please? I again can't get this page to show properly on my device". And on her iPhone most pages almost always display without the slightest problem. She then always teases me, why I don't buy an iPhone, too.

It's so embarrassing and such a pain and regularly drives me really mad! I hate the iPhone due too many lacking feature and especially Apple's attitude on locking you in completely and controlling what you are allowed to do or not, but their browser alone will soon make me switch! Esp. in the light, that they are now apparently also starting to open that thing up a bit more...

I have been using about 10 different high-end Windows CE devices over the last 15 years or so and I suffered uncountable bugs and hickups and instabilities. We are now in 2009 and MS is still incapable of delivering a web browser for Windows CE/Mobile that's at least marginally useful! I find this unbelievable and unacceptable! I am more and more feeling the desire to ditch Windows Mobile altogether...

Or is there ANY decent alternative browser, that one could suggest as replacement and/or additional browser for WM 6.1?

Michael

Perhaps, this free web browser is fit for you - UCWeb
(http://www.ucweb.com/) .
As I know, so many people use it as default web browser for their HTC Touch
HD device.


"Michael Moser" <michael-nospam.moser@nospam.freesurf.ch>
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I have an HTC Touch HD which in principle is a terrific machine (fast, thin,
big screen, lots of memory, etc.) but that thing is UNUSABLE for actual Web
browsing.

My estimation is, that neither PIE nor the pre-installed Opera mobile are
able to render more than maybe 10% of all webpages somewhat useful. Since
their mutual subsets only partially overlaps, with those two browsers one
can actually use maybe 15% of all webpages out there.

The remaining 85% are not useable for Windows Mobile devices. These pages
don't show properly, mostly only partially, sometimes even not at all. Or if
they are shown they are a mess or can't be operated. If she's with me I can
at least ask my wife: "could you please look up that URL on your iPhone
please? I again can't get this page to show properly on my device". And on
her iPhone most pages almost always display without the slightest problem.
She then always teases me, why I don't buy an iPhone, too.

It's so embarrassing and such a pain and regularly drives me really mad! I
hate the iPhone due too many lacking feature and especially Apple's attitude
on locking you in completely and controlling what you are allowed to do or
not, but their browser alone will soon make me switch! Esp. in the light,
that they are now apparently also starting to open that thing up a bit
more...

I have been using about 10 different high-end Windows CE devices over the
last 15 years or so and I suffered uncountable bugs and hickups and
instabilities. We are now in 2009 and MS is still incapable of delivering a
web browser for Windows CE/Mobile that's at least marginally useful! I find
this unbelievable and unacceptable! I am more and more feeling the desire to
ditch Windows Mobile altogether...

Or is there ANY decent alternative browser, that one could suggest as
replacement and/or additional browser for WM 6.1?

Michael

At 25 Mar 2009 23:32:56 +0100 Michael Moser wrote:
> I have an HTC Touch HD which in principle is a terrific machine
> (fast, thin, big screen, lots of memory, etc.) but that thing is
> UNUSABLE for actual Web browsing.
>
> My estimation is, that neither PIE nor the pre-installed Opera
> mobile are able to render more than maybe 10% of all webpages
> somewhat useful. Since their mutual subsets only partially overlaps,
> with those two browsers one can actually use maybe 15% o
>f all webpages out there.
>
> The remaining 85% are not useable for Windows Mobile devices.
> These pages don't show properly, mostly only partially, sometimes
> even not at all. Or if they are shown they are a mess or can't
> be operated. If she's with me I can at least ask my wife: "could
> you please look up that URL on your iPhone please? I again can't
> get this page to show properly on my device". And on her iPhone
> most pages almost always display without the slightest problem.
> She then always teases me, why I don't buy an iPhone, too.
>
> It's so embarrassing and such a pain and regularly drives me
> really mad! I hate the iPhone due too many lacking feature and
> especially Apple's attitude on locking you in completely and
> controlling what you are allowed to do or not, but their browser
> alone will soon make me switch! Esp. in the light, that they are
> now apparently also starting to open that thing up a bit more...
>
> I have been using about 10 different high-end Windows CE
> devices over the last 15 years or so and I suffered uncountable
> bugs and hickups and instabilities. We are now in 2009 and MS
> is still incapable of delivering a web browser for Windows CE/Mobile
> that's at least marginally useful! I find this unbelievable and
> unacceptable! I am more and more feeling the desire to ditch
> Windows Mobile altogether...
>
> Or is there ANY decent alternative browser, that one could
> suggest as replacement and/or additional browser for WM 6.1?


Most of my browsing is split between Opera Mini (not Mobile), which does
a good job with most web pages, and renders very quickly (it runs
everything through Opera's servers, so Opera does most of the "heavy
lifting,") and Skyfire, which supports flash video, and works with TV
websites. Skyfire is a little slow to render, so it's my backup for what
Opera Mini doesn't handle well.

dave wrote:
> Perhaps, this free web browser is fit for you - UCWeb
> (http://www.ucweb.com/) .
> As I know, so many people use it as default web browser for their HTC
> Touch HD device.

Their download page offers 15+ brands and dozens if not hundreds of phones for each to choose from, but HTC (and thus the Touch HD) is not among them.
Alas I also didn't find those devices from Ericsson and Samsung in the list that I know to run WM 6.1 with a similar screen resolution. And there is no generic WM version, either.
Any suggestions, which of those versions to download for the Touch HD?

Michael

In Chinese version of this download page, I can see download copy for HTC
Touch HD. But in English one, this web does not supply choice for HTC.

You may try these URLs:

http://www.ucweb.com/product.shtml
http://wap.ucweb.com/u3899/p

Good luck to you.

"Michael Moser" <michael-nospam.moser@nospam.freesurf.ch>
??????:eKP9idfrJHA.724@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
dave wrote:
> Perhaps, this free web browser is fit for you - UCWeb
> (http://www.ucweb.com/) .
> As I know, so many people use it as default web browser for their HTC
> Touch HD device.

Their download page offers 15+ brands and dozens if not hundreds of phones
for each to choose from, but HTC (and thus the Touch HD) is not among them.
Alas I also didn't find those devices from Ericsson and Samsung in the list
that I know to run WM 6.1 with a similar screen resolution. And there is no
generic WM version, either.
Any suggestions, which of those versions to download for the Touch HD?

Michael

Hello,

I think you will find that the vast majority of Windows Mobile users would
agree with your frustration.

In my opinion there is not one browser out there that fits the bill 100%.
Pocket IE has it's strengths, Opera Mobile and Mini have their strengths,
SkyFire, etc. They all have weaknesses though and it is more or less a
matter of which weakness you can live with more than another. Fortunately
all of these browsers mentioned in this thread are free or have a trial
period. Give them a try and see which one fits your needs best.

As for me (since we are all sharing!), I use Pocket IE along with Spb Pocket
Plus which gives me multi-tab functionality. For what I do it fits the need
90% of the time.


--
Clinton Fitch, MVP-Mobile Devices
http://www.clintonfitch.com
http://www.hpcfactor.com



"Michael Moser" <michael-nospam.moser@nospam.freesurf.ch> wrote in message
news:OqVXmmZrJHA.3864@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> I have an HTC Touch HD which in principle is a terrific machine (fast,
> thin, big screen, lots of memory, etc.) but that thing is UNUSABLE for
> actual Web browsing.
>
> My estimation is, that neither PIE nor the pre-installed Opera mobile are
> able to render more than maybe 10% of all webpages somewhat useful. Since
> their mutual subsets only partially overlaps, with those two browsers one
> can actually use maybe 15% of all webpages out there.
>
> The remaining 85% are not useable for Windows Mobile devices. These pages
> don't show properly, mostly only partially, sometimes even not at all. Or
> if they are shown they are a mess or can't be operated. If she's with me I
> can at least ask my wife: "could you please look up that URL on your
> iPhone please? I again can't get this page to show properly on my device".
> And on her iPhone most pages almost always display without the slightest
> problem. She then always teases me, why I don't buy an iPhone, too.
>
> It's so embarrassing and such a pain and regularly drives me really mad! I
> hate the iPhone due too many lacking feature and especially Apple's
> attitude on locking you in completely and controlling what you are allowed
> to do or not, but their browser alone will soon make me switch! Esp. in
> the light, that they are now apparently also starting to open that thing
> up a bit more...
>
> I have been using about 10 different high-end Windows CE devices over the
> last 15 years or so and I suffered uncountable bugs and hickups and
> instabilities. We are now in 2009 and MS is still incapable of delivering
> a web browser for Windows CE/Mobile that's at least marginally useful! I
> find this unbelievable and unacceptable! I am more and more feeling the
> desire to ditch Windows Mobile altogether...
>
> Or is there ANY decent alternative browser, that one could suggest as
> replacement and/or additional browser for WM 6.1?
>
> Michael
>

Michael Moser wrote:

> I have an HTC Touch HD which in principle is a terrific machine (fast,
> thin, big screen, lots of memory, etc.) but that thing is UNUSABLE for
> actual Web browsing.
>
> My estimation is, that neither PIE nor the pre-installed Opera mobile
> are able to render more than maybe 10% of all webpages somewhat
> useful.

Can you please give one such problem web page as an example? I'm very
happy with the current Opera Mobile Beta (9.5). Sometimes pages are
loading very slowly, but most of the sites work (apart from Flash and
ActiveX, but these won't work on the iPhone, neither).

Regards...
Michael

Every Web browser out there has its strengths and weaknesses. I'd say
there's no clear winner, particularly not on the HD, where you'll surely be
frustrated with low-res (QVGA)-only solutions like SkyFire. Personally, I'd
go for either Opera Mobile or Mini.

See
http://www.smartphonemag.com/cms/blog/9/full-roundup-browsing-web-windows-mobile-just-iphone-incl-iem6-review
for a more thorough roundup.

--


--
Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen - Microsoft MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices
Please see the Pocket PC Mag Expert Blog (including mine) at
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ - you will definitely like it.


"Michael Moser" <michael-nospam.moser@nospam.freesurf.ch> wrote in message
news:OqVXmmZrJHA.3864@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
I have an HTC Touch HD which in principle is a terrific machine (fast, thin,
big screen, lots of memory, etc.) but that thing is UNUSABLE for actual Web
browsing.

My estimation is, that neither PIE nor the pre-installed Opera mobile are
able to render more than maybe 10% of all webpages somewhat useful. Since
their mutual subsets only partially overlaps, with those two browsers one
can actually use maybe 15% of all webpages out there.

The remaining 85% are not useable for Windows Mobile devices. These pages
don't show properly, mostly only partially, sometimes even not at all. Or if
they are shown they are a mess or can't be operated. If she's with me I can
at least ask my wife: "could you please look up that URL on your iPhone
please? I again can't get this page to show properly on my device". And on
her iPhone most pages almost always display without the slightest problem.
She then always teases me, why I don't buy an iPhone, too.

It's so embarrassing and such a pain and regularly drives me really mad! I
hate the iPhone due too many lacking feature and especially Apple's attitude
on locking you in completely and controlling what you are allowed to do or
not, but their browser alone will soon make me switch! Esp. in the light,
that they are now apparently also starting to open that thing up a bit
more...

I have been using about 10 different high-end Windows CE devices over the
last 15 years or so and I suffered uncountable bugs and hickups and
instabilities. We are now in 2009 and MS is still incapable of delivering a
web browser for Windows CE/Mobile that's at least marginally useful! I find
this unbelievable and unacceptable! I am more and more feeling the desire to
ditch Windows Mobile altogether...

Or is there ANY decent alternative browser, that one could suggest as
replacement and/or additional browser for WM 6.1?

Michael

Thanks all for responding!

Opera Mini 9.5 beta seems indeed a bit more usable. I have at least much less problems with it than with the built in PIE and the Opera Mini version that's pre-installed on the HD (and is apparently "specially adapted" for the HD).
..
Michael

Which version / build did you install? There're quite a few of them; I've
thorouhly compared them in my below-linked article. Since then, there may be
newer build releases; see
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=486502

--


--
Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen - Microsoft MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices
Please see the Pocket PC Mag Expert Blog (including mine) at
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ - you will definitely like it.


"Michael Moser" <michael-nospam.moser@nospam.freesurf.ch> wrote in message
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Thanks all for responding!

Opera Mini 9.5 beta seems indeed a bit more usable. I have at least much
less problems with it than with the built in PIE and the Opera Mini version
that's pre-installed on the HD (and is apparently "specially adapted" for
the HD).
..
Michael

Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen [MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices] wrote:
> Which version / build did you install? There're quite a few of them;
> I've thorouhly compared them in my below-linked article. Since then,
> there may be newer build releases; see
> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=486502
>

Mine reads 2682, which according to your table looks pretty old but was the latest the download page had available.

Michael

Yup, unfortunately, the official beta is still the old version.

--


--
Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen - Microsoft MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices
Please see the Pocket PC Mag Expert Blog (including mine) at
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ - you will definitely like it.


"Michael Moser" <michael-nospam.moser@nospam.freesurf.ch> wrote in message
news:ePLotSpvJHA.5100@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen [MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices] wrote:
> Which version / build did you install? There're quite a few of them;
> I've thorouhly compared them in my below-linked article. Since then,
> there may be newer build releases; see
> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=486502
>

Mine reads 2682, which according to your table looks pretty old but was the
latest the download page had available.

Michael