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On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:26:03 -0800 (PST), Voice
<pwickham@think-safe.com> wrote:

>Check out this LIFE SAVING PPC application - product review. only
>$21.99 on internet vs. retail of $49.99
>
>http://www.clintonfitch.com/reviews/thinksafe/resqr-3-5/default.asp
>
>Finalist for 2007 Best New Software by Pocket PC and Smart Phone
>Magazine!

As an EMT this kind of software troubles me. If you're responding
to a true emergency nothing replaces actual hands on knowledge on how
to perform the life saving procedure like CPR. If you have to stop
and learn the procedure then the patient will be dead before you're
done learning.

I would strongly suggest not getting this software. Instea get your
posterior down to the Red Cross or else where and take an
actuall class in first aid/first responder/CPR.

Finally i'd point out good samaritan laws will protect the
personn performing life saving techniques as long as they
are fully trained, performing the techniques in the correct
fashion, and following prescribed practices.

Also i'd point out it takes a number of hours
to learn CPR, to have the instructor determine
that you're doing it right. A program like this
can't tell if you're doing something wrong.....
one of the basics in first aid is to do no
further hamr.

So if you're not trained in first aid/cpr don't
perform it, let someone else certified and
trained perform it.

Oh and i'd point out if someone stops breathing
you've got exactly four minutes before permanent
brain damage sets in. So if you have to learn
the proper things to do the patient will
be brain damaged. That is it, four minutes.

Finally the other thing that troubles me about
this is, Ok you come accross an accident.
You've got lots of injuries, your pocket pc
device is dead because the temperature
is a frigid 10 below zero and the batteries
are frozen.

Oh and there is the matter of materials.
In addition to knowing what to do
you also need a well stocked first aid
kit.

"Voice" <pwickham@think-safe.com> wrote in message
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> Check out this LIFE SAVING PPC application - product review. only
> $21.99 on internet vs. retail of $49.99
>
> http://www.clintonfitch.com/reviews/thinksafe/resqr-3-5/default.asp
>
> Finalist for 2007 Best New Software by Pocket PC and Smart Phone
> Magazine!

Hello,

I could see this being useful for someone in Security/EHS/HAZMAT fields that
already know basic 1st aid and CPR.
Periodically going thru various steps in 'what if" refresher mode can make a
huge difference later since training is usually annual.

Also, many companies today have employee EMT staff programs, where multiple
volunteers respond to assist a fellow employee.

An Incident Command/Scribe toggle toolbar across the bottom would make this
MUCH more useful.
This would have tiny image buttons across the bottom to toggle between the
main app and secondary forms recording pertinent details by section.

A scribe or secondary responder can also assist the primary responder
verbally asking the questions and keeping things on track...

Some example sections for the toolbar toggle:

* Main - takes you back to the main application

* Identification - to record details about the effected party
(name, sex, dob-age, height, weight, primary
contact name & number)

* Body - a body silhouette image allowing markup of effected areas
(being able to click on a body part and note injury specific
details)

* Symptoms - for general 1st aid discovery inquiries
(observation notes, last time taking food, water, on
any medication, blah blah)

* Responders - time, location, person, assigned task in brief overview
layout
(This should support at least 6 responder identities
and placement)

* Deployments - a simple bldg square to track multiple responder deployment
for evacuations etc.
(This could cross link back to the Responders
page, IC=, RSP1=, RSP2=....)
(Click on the box, it would flag the point and
list responders OR allow freeform entry)

Also, a parent desktop application could support downloading an incident for
further refinement and reporting.

The downside to the above is an EMT transporting a patient wants these
gathered details, so you might lose your PDA!
Hmmm, fast save native ResQR & text files to the SD card?

Definitely a nice start, a bit more consideration for polishing target
audience usability would be huge.
There is always 2008!

Regards,
David

At 06 Dec 2007 15:51:57 -0500 Kerry Weaver wrote:

> As an EMT this kind of software troubles me.

While you make excellent points, I'd hope the authors don't expect a user
to shove you (or any other knowledgeable person) out of the way of a
patient yelling "I'll handle this one, Kerry- I've got my PPC!"

> If you're responding
> to a true emergency nothing replaces actual hands on knowledge on how
> to perform the life saving procedure like CPR.

True, but arguably if I'm the one lying unconscious, I'd rather have a geek
with that app around than no one at all! Crappy, million-to-one odds are
still better than none! ;-)

But yes- your assessment is very fair- learning CPR or basic lifesaving
techniques is a much better use of one's time than thinking an interactive
how-to will suffice when needed.

This discussion reminded me of a comedy sketch my buddies and I wrote and
performed in our high school drama club a couple of decades ago, back when
those "how-to" Heimlich Maneuver posters started popping up on restaurant
walls everywhere. While one of us starts "choking" on a (very poorly
thrown-together) restaurant set, the rest of us consult the poster on the
wall (loaned to us by our favorite local greasy-spoon), then proceed to
critisize the victim for not properly making the "I'm choking" gesture (and
then try to correct him by demonstration), argue whether we're supposed to
wait until the victim is the same shade of blue as the poster's cartoon
victim, then debate how to perform the method, demonstrating clumsy
attempts on each other, while the victim flounders from table to table,
scattering prop food and drinks everywhere, destroying the set, and
eventually "dying" as we decide we've finally figured out the proper
technique and excitedly turn to tell the victim how lucky he is that we
were there only to find we're too late.

I got the idea for the sketch, however, by having the same reaction to
those posters as you did to this software- that the four-minute window you
have to save someone who's not breathing is a pretty lousy time to learn,
and attempt to apply, new techniques!

"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message
news:fjamd2$ium$3@aioe.org...
> At 06 Dec 2007 15:51:57 -0500 Kerry Weaver wrote:
>
>
> This discussion reminded me of a comedy sketch my buddies and I wrote and
> performed in our high school drama club a couple of decades ago, back when
> those "how-to" Heimlich Maneuver posters started popping up on restaurant
> walls everywhere. While one of us starts "choking" on a (very poorly
> thrown-together) restaurant set, the rest of us consult the poster on the
> wall (loaned to us by our favorite local greasy-spoon), then proceed to
> critisize the victim for not properly making the "I'm choking" gesture
> (and
> then try to correct him by demonstration), argue whether we're supposed to
> wait until the victim is the same shade of blue as the poster's cartoon
> victim, then debate how to perform the method, demonstrating clumsy
> attempts on each other, while the victim flounders from table to table,
> scattering prop food and drinks everywhere, destroying the set, and
> eventually "dying" as we decide we've finally figured out the proper
> technique and excitedly turn to tell the victim how lucky he is that we
> were there only to find we're too late.
>
> I got the idea for the sketch, however, by having the same reaction to
> those posters as you did to this software- that the four-minute window you
> have to save someone who's not breathing is a pretty lousy time to learn,
> and attempt to apply, new techniques!
>
>

I love it, terrific imagery conjuring!
This sounds like something I'd see on Saturday Night Live, lots of laugh
potential.

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:40:40 -0700, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>> If you're responding
>> to a true emergency nothing replaces actual hands on knowledge on how
>> to perform the life saving procedure like CPR.
>
>True, but arguably if I'm the one lying unconscious, I'd rather have a geek
>with that app around than no one at all! Crappy, million-to-one odds are
>still better than none! ;-)
If i'm lying uncousious i'd rather have someone pull out a cell
phone, call 911, and have the 911 dispatcher walk them through
what needs to be done. If the person has no training be honest with
the 911 dispatcher instead of pretending you can learn it
quickly on your ppc.

A pocket pc program can't do that.

I good dispatcher on 911 will be able to walk you through anything.
The patient will have much better odds with the 911 dispatcher than
some person on a pocket pc.

Rule #1 for emergency responders is do no further harm.
And if you know nothing about first aid and you're learning
it cold from a pocket pc you're going to do further harm.

And note the part I wrote about the good samaritan law.
It won't cover you unless you're certified in first aid/
cpr/or whatever you're performing.

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:14:58 -0800, "BogusID" <BogusID@YesItIs.com>
wrote:
>I could see this being useful for someone in Security/EHS/HAZMAT fields that
>already know basic 1st aid and CPR.
>Periodically going thru various steps in 'what if" refresher mode can make a
>huge difference later since training is usually annual.
But when it comes time to recertify get your posterior down to
the Red Cross and take a first aid/cpr course.

You really need an instrutor to teach the techniques.
(Especialy when techniques change.) And you need that
instructor for recertification.

(I would point out techniques change over the years.)

"Kerry Weaver" <Don't bother...send to usenet> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:14:58 -0800, "BogusID" <BogusID@YesItIs.com>
> wrote:
>>I could see this being useful for someone in Security/EHS/HAZMAT fields
>>that
>>already know basic 1st aid and CPR.
>>Periodically going thru various steps in 'what if" refresher mode can make
>>a
>>huge difference later since training is usually annual.
> But when it comes time to recertify get your posterior down to
> the Red Cross and take a first aid/cpr course.
>
> You really need an instrutor to teach the techniques.
> (Especialy when techniques change.) And you need that
> instructor for recertification.
>
> (I would point out techniques change over the years.)

ABSOLUTELY ... I still remember the "precordial thump" lol!
I can see this being very useful refresher material during idle moments,
unfortunate that it's so expensive (49.99).

"BogusID" <BogusID@YesItIs.com> wrote in message
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> "Kerry Weaver" <Don't bother...send to usenet> wrote in message
> news:ru1jl3lv6skj2a1cdspe0mq6jjmh1cflsr@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:14:58 -0800, "BogusID" <BogusID@YesItIs.com>
>> wrote:
>>>I could see this being useful for someone in Security/EHS/HAZMAT fields
>>>that
>>>already know basic 1st aid and CPR.
>>>Periodically going thru various steps in 'what if" refresher mode can
>>>make a
>>>huge difference later since training is usually annual.
>> But when it comes time to recertify get your posterior down to
>> the Red Cross and take a first aid/cpr course.
>>
>> You really need an instrutor to teach the techniques.
>> (Especialy when techniques change.) And you need that
>> instructor for recertification.
>>
>> (I would point out techniques change over the years.)
>
> ABSOLUTELY ... I still remember the "precordial thump" lol!
> I can see this being very useful refresher material during idle moments,
> unfortunate that it's so expensive (49.99).
>

BTW, this is not as polished, but it's free.
<http://www.cebeans.com/firstaidp.htm>

>> I can see this being very useful refresher material during idle moments,
>> unfortunate that it's so expensive (49.99).
Lets see.....you're spending $500+ for a device and you're saying
$49.99 is expensive?

Compared to the $500+ on the device the software is downright
cheap.

And someone put alot of hours into making the software.

"Kerry Weaver" <Don't bother...send to usenet> wrote in message
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>>> I can see this being very useful refresher material during idle moments,
>>> unfortunate that it's so expensive (49.99).
> Lets see.....you're spending $500+ for a device and you're saying
> $49.99 is expensive?
>
> Compared to the $500+ on the device the software is downright
> cheap.
>
> And someone put alot of hours into making the software.

So I guess you never heard of eBay?

I get them refurbished between 75 and 125 and they work just fine.
Dell Axim, HP iPaq, whatever...you can find it on eBay!

Yes it has some polish and does appear that someone "put in alot of hours".
And if you put enough monkeys in a room with typewriters they could
eventually write a book, but that does not make it a best seller.
Anyone who has done software R&D knows it's the end product that is marketed
for it's worth, not the short or long road you took getting there.

As to this software's current incarnation; for what it offers, sure it's
neat.
It's basically a drill-down lookup utility with info available from the Red
Cross,
condensed into to-the-point lookups and adding voice reading novelty.

I'd classify this as a $20 general lookup utility, not a $50 mainstream
"productivity" application.

To the average user there is no marketable ROI, since you should know this
stuff already before attempting to apply it on a person.

If it had images, even basic one's that show proper head tilt for CPR and
the proper way to apply an arm sling, maybe.
The utility is geared toward text so that it can read it to you during a
specific situation.

If it allowed an IC, scribe or secondary responder to record vital
information that would make it much more generally usable.
My previous response went into some details about this. As an EMT I'm sure
you can see where that could help alot.

Just my opinion as a potential customer.
I choose not to spend $50 for it, but you are certainly welcome to!

"BogusID" <BogusID@YesItIs.com> wrote in message
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> "Kerry Weaver" <Don't bother...send to usenet> wrote in message
> news:1anjl3d0pdb7glopbvkmgckj3mc7mdv3hb@4ax.com...
>>>> I can see this being very useful refresher material during idle
>>>> moments,
>>>> unfortunate that it's so expensive (49.99).
>> Lets see.....you're spending $500+ for a device and you're saying
>> $49.99 is expensive?
>>
>> Compared to the $500+ on the device the software is downright
>> cheap.
>>
>> And someone put alot of hours into making the software.
>


OK - I looked around and found it for $19.99.

Sold!

<http://store.aximsite.com/product.asp?id=11848>

<http://software.palminfocenter.com/product.asp?id=11848>

<http://software.treonauts.com/product.asp?id=11848>

<http://www.google.com/search?q=ResQR+11848+19.99>

I'll still be looking for their 2008 upgrade hoping for an incident
recording data entry toolbar.

On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:25:42 -0800, "BogusID" <BogusID@YesItIs.com>
wrote:

>"Kerry Weaver" <Don't bother...send to usenet> wrote in message
>news:1anjl3d0pdb7glopbvkmgckj3mc7mdv3hb@4ax.com...
>>>> I can see this being very useful refresher material during idle moments,
>>>> unfortunate that it's so expensive (49.99).
>> Lets see.....you're spending $500+ for a device and you're saying
>> $49.99 is expensive?
>>
>> Compared to the $500+ on the device the software is downright
>> cheap.
>>
>> And someone put alot of hours into making the software.
>
>So I guess you never heard of eBay?
And alot of people on Ebay have been nailed for selling copyrighted
material.

>I get them refurbished between 75 and 125 and they work just fine.
>Dell Axim, HP iPaq, whatever...you can find it on eBay!
Good for you.

>
>I'd classify this as a $20 general lookup utility, not a $50 mainstream
>"productivity" application.
But you don't hold the copyright. The copyright holder does and the
copyright holder determines the price.

>Just my opinion as a potential customer.
>I choose not to spend $50 for it, but you are certainly welcome to!
>
Just as you have the right to not buy the software for $50 the
copyright holder has the right to not sell the software for $20.
And just because the copyright holder sells it for $50
does not give you the right to steal the software.

Stealing is still wrong whether you like price charged or not.

Kerry Weaver wrote:
snip
> But you don't hold the copyright. The copyright holder does and the
> copyright holder determines the price.
>

While strictly true, it's a simplistic view.
The MARKET determines the value.
The optimum price for products with essentially zero incremental
manufacturing cost is often more dependent on available
alternatives than the features of the product.

There's a lot of freeware out there. It's there because someone
wanted to say, "hey, look what I can do."
It may have taken hundreds of hours to develop, but it's still
available for free. Absent an established distribution channel,
brand loyalty, etc., if you expect to build a retail product
that's similar to something that's already available for free,
you should go back to business school.

Freeware that's good enough is MUCH better than Costware that's
a little better. I'll download, try, use a lot of freeware
juse 'cause it's easy. If it cost a nickel, I wouldn't.
Not because 5-cents is a lot of money...it's cause I have to go
find my credit card and expose myself to fraud/identity theft, spam, etc.
And installing a $50 program on a $5 pda is just wrong...
YMMV

"Kerry Weaver" <Don't bother...send to usenet> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:25:42 -0800, "BogusID" <BogusID@YesItIs.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Kerry Weaver" <Don't bother...send to usenet> wrote in message
>>news:1anjl3d0pdb7glopbvkmgckj3mc7mdv3hb@4ax.com...
>>>>> I can see this being very useful refresher material during idle
>>>>> moments,
>>>>> unfortunate that it's so expensive (49.99).
>>> Lets see.....you're spending $500+ for a device and you're saying
>>> $49.99 is expensive?
>>>
>>> Compared to the $500+ on the device the software is downright
>>> cheap.
>>>
>>> And someone put alot of hours into making the software.
>>
>>So I guess you never heard of eBay?
> And alot of people on Ebay have been nailed for selling copyrighted
> material.

Hello, I'm talking about the PDA's not the software.

>
>>I get them refurbished between 75 and 125 and they work just fine.
>>Dell Axim, HP iPaq, whatever...you can find it on eBay!
> Good for you.

Yes, and for may other frugal consumers as well.

>>I'd classify this as a $20 general lookup utility, not a $50 mainstream
>>"productivity" application.
> But you don't hold the copyright. The copyright holder does and the
> copyright holder determines the price.

Agreed, that's called supply and demand, lower prices are often associated
with higfher sales volume.

>>Just my opinion as a potential customer.
>>I choose not to spend $50 for it, but you are certainly welcome to!
>>
> Just as you have the right to not buy the software for $50 the
> copyright holder has the right to not sell the software for $20.
> And just because the copyright holder sells it for $50
> does not give you the right to steal the software.
>
> Stealing is still wrong whether you like price charged or not.

Who the hell said anything about stealing, nice conclusion you leaped to
there pal!
Please take a moment to go back and read more slowly.

BTW, I found the software online <legally> for $20, and bought a copy...
You have a merry Christmas, and be of good cheer!

At 09 Dec 2007 22:27:53 +0000 mike wrote:

> And installing a $50 program on a $5 pda is just wrong...

Not if it makes the PDA worth $50 more to you...

>And installing a $50 program on a $5 pda is just wrong...
>YMMV
Even on Ebay and other auction sites where are you finding a
$5 pda?

You said previously you usually buy them for $100 on ebay.

Kerry Weaver wrote:
>> And installing a $50 program on a $5 pda is just wrong...
>> YMMV
> Even on Ebay and other auction sites where are you finding a
> $5 pda?
>
> You said previously you usually buy them for $100 on ebay.

Wasn't me, I don't buy pda's on ebay. Shipping is more than they're
worth. Ebay is absolutely the worst place to find anything cheap.
Too many idiots willing to bid more than new street price
for used junk.

I did say you could buy an X51v for under $100.

www.craigslist.org.
Tungsten C $5
Palm m500 FREE x2
Palm m505 $2
Palm Vx $1
Toshiba E740 $20
HP2215 $30
Axim X50 $20
Axim X51v used $80
Axim X51v NEW $100

Swapmeet
Tungsten E $3

Garage Sales
Various Palms under $2

Not all $5, but none worthy of adding $50 worth of programs.
Windows devices do fetch more than palms. More freeware
for them.