I just got my hands on a HP Jornada 525 Pocket PC and I was wondering if
there's any kind of use I can get out of it? Maybe GPS navigation after
adding [compatible] bluetooth CF card? Maybe linux?

it only runs Pocket PC 2000 (Win CE 3.0)

any kind of ideas would be greatly appreciated

TIA

Anuva Yoosa (ayoosa@houst.com) in %238LLnLopHHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

> I just got my hands on a HP Jornada 525 Pocket PC and I was wondering
> if there's any kind of use I can get out of it? Maybe GPS navigation
> after adding [compatible] bluetooth CF card? Maybe linux?
>
> it only runs Pocket PC 2000 (Win CE 3.0)
>
> any kind of ideas would be greatly appreciated

(I went from a Windows CE 2.0 device to a Windows Mobile 5.0 one.)

I think that the operating system resides in ROM, along with some scaled
down version of Microsoft Office.

I have always enjoyed the synchronization with my desktop computer (actually
a notebook). Its great as an alarm clock. And if you're in the habit of
saving documents for meetings in a special directory (and synchronize
afterwards), then you have them with you without further thought.

For any other application (including GPS) the operating system and system
resources will matter.
Have a look at http://www.handango.com/ (shop).

--
Chris Laarman

It's still very usable... all of the office formats and all of the apps
should work and sync without problems.

As an example, I have an x5 which is serving as a great ipod clone.

Suggest you start out slow... for example, some tunes on a CF card and
sync some word or excel files you often reference, then start asking
questions. The page at http://BevHoward.com/bhhpj.htm started because
of the same device.

Your primary issue may be the battery... it's likely very old and near
the end of it's life, and replacing it may end up costing a major
percentage of a newer ppc.

Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]

On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:58:09 -0500, "Beverly Howard
[Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote:

>Your primary issue may be the battery... it's likely very old and near
>the end of it's life, and replacing it may end up costing a major
>percentage of a newer ppc.
>


That having been said it is still a very usable device.
Use Activsync 3.7 and it will peform as it is supposed
to and be very usable.

You may also luck out and the battery will be fine.
(Maybe the former owner stuck it away in a drawer
and never used it. So the battery may be fine.

I'd point out though even though it may be "obsolete," obsolete is
in the eye of the beholder. If it meets your needs and does what
you want it to than it is not obsolete.

Oh and on the subject of GPS.....i'd suggest getting a dedicated
GPS that you can take with you when you leave the car. Around here
they are frequently stolen.

Anuva Yoosa wrote:
> I just got my hands on a HP Jornada 525 Pocket PC and I was wondering if
> there's any kind of use I can get out of it? Maybe GPS navigation after
> adding [compatible] bluetooth CF card? Maybe linux?
>
> it only runs Pocket PC 2000 (Win CE 3.0)
>
> any kind of ideas would be greatly appreciated
>
> TIA
>
Suggest you use it as is and not put any money into it. It can be a
great time waster/tv alternative, just don't let it become a money
waster too.
I had a 548 back in the day. Back when MP3 players cost an arm and a
leg, my $5 548 looked attractive. Worked fine except for the short
battery life and the annoying "growl" in the audio. Very difficult to
operate and keep your eyes on the road. Today, mp3 players
will fit in your pocket and run all day...and they're cheap.

I tried a mapping application. Problem was the display. Hard to read in
bright light. Outside on a sunny day, in the shade, I couldn't even
tell if it was switched on. Maybe the 525 has a better display.
548 was too slow for gps real-time tracking via serial port. Bluetooth
would be worse.

As for batteries, beware of the cheap Chinese ones. I bought one, too
thick, sent it back. Bought a different one, too thick, cut off all the
plastic, bent the case and crammed it in. Big Mistake. Caused an
intermittent display cutout problem.

Put a slideshow program on it and use it as a picture frame.
Does make a fine simple pda.

If you can pick up a $1 CF card at a garage sale, do it, but don't let
the turkey become a money pit.
mike

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On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:49:41 GMT, mike <spamme9@gmail.com> wrote:

>I had a 548 back in the day. Back when MP3 players cost an arm and a
>leg, my $5 548 looked attractive.
Where prey tell did you find a 548 for $5?

When I bought mine it was alot more than $5.

>If you can pick up a $1 CF card at a garage sale, do it, but don't let
>the turkey become a money pit.
The device is not a turkey. It was a very usable device in it's time
and for many it still meets their needs.

Also where did you find $1 CF cards?

Dr. Woodard wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:49:41 GMT, mike <spamme9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I had a 548 back in the day. Back when MP3 players cost an arm and a
>> leg, my $5 548 looked attractive.
> Where prey tell did you find a 548 for $5?

At a garage sale. I guess I shouldn't mention the $2 one???
But that was maybe 4 years ago when some software would run on it.
Don't have any idea what they go for now. I've moved up to $20 axim x50's.
>
> When I bought mine it was alot more than $5.
>
>> If you can pick up a $1 CF card at a garage sale, do it, but don't let
>> the turkey become a money pit.
> The device is not a turkey. It was a very usable device in it's time
> and for many it still meets their needs.

I don't believe I ever called it a turkey. What I said was,
"use it like it is for what it can do and don't put more money
into it."
I did suggest that a 548 was ill-suited for gps and mapping,
unless you do your traveling at night and aren't in a hurry
for the maps.
>
> Also where did you find $1 CF cards?
Again, this was 802.11b at a garage sale.
>
That's another issue with this machine...CF memory.
With 2gig SD cards for $5 new AR, it doesn't make sense
to buy CF cards. Cheaper to buy SD and a PDA
that can use 'em. I never buy memory cards used.
They always want WAY more than the AR price of a new one.
The news that memory costs have dropped by a factor of
10 since they bought theirs doesn't bring smiles or transactions.
mike


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>> almost always available on ebay for about $15 <<

Thanks for the headsup... may revive my 545

Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]

>> cf <<

frys has cf memory for pretty cheap... think have seen a gig for as low
as $15... missed a deal for 4gig at $35 a couple of weeks ago for my
"it's not a pod" x5

Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]

Hi, Beverly

On your "not a pod" do you just use WM player, or have you found MP3 player
software that's more suitable?

Cheers

- rick

"Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote in
message news:uCzJnEspHHA.3252@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> It's still very usable... all of the office formats and all of the apps
> should work and sync without problems.
>
> As an example, I have an x5 which is serving as a great ipod clone.
>
> Suggest you start out slow... for example, some tunes on a CF card and
> sync some word or excel files you often reference, then start asking
> questions. The page at http://BevHoward.com/bhhpj.htm started because of
> the same device.
>
> Your primary issue may be the battery... it's likely very old and near the
> end of it's life, and replacing it may end up costing a major percentage
> of a newer ppc.
>
> Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]

>> On your "not a pod" do you just use WM player, or have you found MP3
player... <<

Since I always do things the hard way, I use wmp. See
http://BevHoward.com/itsnotapod.htm

There are several good media players around... not sure which os you are
using, but google for POCKETPC PLAYER should get some results.

Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]

Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] wrote:
> >> cf <<
>
> frys has cf memory for pretty cheap... think have seen a gig for as low
> as $15... missed a deal for 4gig at $35 a couple of weeks ago for my
> "it's not a pod" x5
>
> Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]
>
>
That's still six times the AR cost/bit of SD in 2Gig sizes.

Just curious how big a CF card the old pocket pc's can handle.
never tried anything over 512mb in my 548
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"mike" <spamme9@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] wrote:
>> >> cf <<
>>
>> frys has cf memory for pretty cheap... think have seen a gig for as low
>> as $15... missed a deal for 4gig at $35 a couple of weeks ago for my
>> "it's not a pod" x5
>>
>> Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]
>>
>>
> That's still six times the AR cost/bit of SD in 2Gig sizes.
>
> Just curious how big a CF card the old pocket pc's can handle.
> never tried anything over 512mb in my 548



Well, my 568 handles a 8GB Seagate microdrive with no issues.



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wow, thanks for the replies

any idea which is the highest version of Garmin Mobile and TomTom (and
other GPS navigation PPC software) that will actually run on WinCE 3.0/PPC
2000?

i figured I'd get the charger, the dual CF adaptor, a 1GB or higher CF
card (for maps), either bluetooth CF card & bluetooth GPS receiver or GPS
CF card and then throw whatever version of GPS nav software that run on
it... will this work? will this be fast enough for GPS nav?

Microdrives are generally handled OK; not so with large-capacity CF cards.
For example, the Dell Axim x5 series isn't able to use >1G cards (without
some hacks). The same stands for the iPAQ 38xx.

And, of course, SDHC support is another issue: some of even current devices
don't support it.

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Please see the Pocket PC Mag Expert Blog (including mine) at
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ - you will definitely like it.


"Neill Currie" <neill_currie@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "mike" <spamme9@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6F49i.863$Vf7.835@trnddc03...
>> Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] wrote:
>>> >> cf <<
>>>
>>> frys has cf memory for pretty cheap... think have seen a gig for as low
>>> as $15... missed a deal for 4gig at $35 a couple of weeks ago for my
>>> "it's not a pod" x5
>>>
>>> Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]
>>>
>>>
>> That's still six times the AR cost/bit of SD in 2Gig sizes.
>>
>> Just curious how big a CF card the old pocket pc's can handle.
>> never tried anything over 512mb in my 548
>
>
>
> Well, my 568 handles a 8GB Seagate microdrive with no issues.
>
>
>
>> --
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>> http://mike.liveline.de/sale.html
>
>

>> Garmin Mobile and TomTom (and other GPS navigation PPC software)
that will actually run on WinCE 3.0/PPC 2000? <<

imho, trying to go the gps route with that device will be a frustrating
fruitless quest. The versions which are 2000 compatible such as garmin
(in my experience) would only go a few minutes before lockup. In
addition, take the unit outside in the sun and try to view the screen.

if you really want to try it, suggest a serial port receiver and
pocketstreets as a starting point... won't "route" but will show your
position on the map. think pstreets from s&t 2003 will run on the 2000
and be fast enough to be useful

with respect to bt, you may have serious problems finding a bt card with
2000 (PPC3) drivers, but, even if you do, there's no place left to store
the maps.

the 5xx pintouts are at http://BevHoward.com/serial.htm#Jornada so, time
to start looking for a spare serial sync cable

On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:30:24 -0700, "rick cameron"
<rick.cameron@decisionscrystal.com> wrote:

>Hi, Beverly
>
>On your "not a pod" do you just use WM player, or have you found MP3 player
>software that's more suitable?

I'm very happy with tcpmp. It plays many audio and video formats. It
also has a tool (in its menu) that sets tcpmp as the default player
(long list of formats with check boxes, so users have a lot of
control). For more info, see
http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/
(although that URL didn't work just now)


>
>Cheers
>
>- rick
>
>"Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote in
>message news:uCzJnEspHHA.3252@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> It's still very usable... all of the office formats and all of the apps
>> should work and sync without problems.
>>
>> As an example, I have an x5 which is serving as a great ipod clone.
>>
>> Suggest you start out slow... for example, some tunes on a CF card and
>> sync some word or excel files you often reference, then start asking
>> questions. The page at http://BevHoward.com/bhhpj.htm started because of
>> the same device.
>>
>> Your primary issue may be the battery... it's likely very old and near the
>> end of it's life, and replacing it may end up costing a major percentage
>> of a newer ppc.
>>
>> Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]
>

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Bev Howard wrote:""
> Your primary issue may be the battery... it's likely very old and near the
> end of it's life, and replacing it may end up costing a major percentage
> of a newer ppc.
""

Actually, the batteries are almost always available on ebay for about $15
shipped, as few people seem to buy them.
I replaced mine last year.

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"Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote in
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> It's still very usable... all of the office formats and all of the apps
> should work and sync without problems.
>
> As an example, I have an x5 which is serving as a great ipod clone.
>
> Suggest you start out slow... for example, some tunes on a CF card and
> sync some word or excel files you often reference, then start asking
> questions. The page at http://BevHoward.com/bhhpj.htm started because of
> the same device.
>
> Your primary issue may be the battery... it's likely very old and near the
> end of it's life, and replacing it may end up costing a major percentage
> of a newer ppc.
>
> Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]

I really don't think you are going to be happy with this as a GPS. You are
talking an 8 bit (256 color) screen and 16M of RAM, which is going to
seriously limit the usability of any nav software. You are probably looking
at 4-5 year old software, which will have 5-7 year old map data. You are
talking about sinking almost half what it would cost you to buy a
rudimentary dedicated GPS nav unit these days. (MIOs are under $200). What
dual CF adapter BTW? I don't recall one, though there was a PC card sleeve
with an MMC slot that I think would be compatible. I recall dual CF adapters
for the iPAQs. I'd use this as a game and music machine at most with just
what comes on it, with the addition of a flash card or two.

Couple of things to keep in mind is that the Jornada's of that era had an
SH3 processor, not the ARM that became the standard later on. Make sure that
SH3 is listed as a compatible processor when finding software. Also the
Jornada's ROMs were really ROMs, not flash ROMs like the iPAQs of the time,
so fun Linux implementations aren't possible.

--
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MS MVP Mobile Devices
"Anuva Yoosa" <ayoosa@houst.com> wrote in message
news:uRsDekzpHHA.716@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> wow, thanks for the replies
>
> any idea which is the highest version of Garmin Mobile and TomTom (and
> other GPS navigation PPC software) that will actually run on WinCE 3.0/PPC
> 2000?
>
> i figured I'd get the charger, the dual CF adaptor, a 1GB or higher CF
> card (for maps), either bluetooth CF card & bluetooth GPS receiver or GPS
> CF card and then throw whatever version of GPS nav software that run on
> it... will this work? will this be fast enough for GPS nav?
>

so a game player or music player... any other useful ideas?

if a 8GB compact flash won't work, will a 8GB micro drive work?

>> will a 8GB micro drive work? <<

your questions are kinda out of sync with the subject...

if you can afford to buy an 8gig CF card, it's crazy to start with a
seven year old 16 meg pda... put any surplus CF (128, 256, etc meg) card
in it and see what it will do... hundreds, if not thousands of options.

When the 525 came out, the 20mb was more than sufficient.

Also fyi, just remembered... the 525 is usb client only... no serial.

Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]

thanks for making it rain dipsh1t

i started this convo with a question that naturally lead to other
questions (ya know, cause I'm human, not a robot) which is normal. i don't
care if you poop PPCs and burp Windows Mobile 9, i'm leading this here,
you chose to follow, now try to be as helpful and polite as possible or
just skip this thread.

i'm obviously trying to find some creative/W?BIC usefulness here, give me
ideas or give me a break.


now, back to trying to have FUN... lightweight game machine, media player,
routeless GPS, frequently used Office docs storage... anything else?


Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] wrote:

>>> will a 8GB micro drive work? <<

> your questions are kinda out of sync with the subject...

> if you can afford to buy an 8gig CF card, it's crazy to start with a
> seven year old 16 meg pda... put any surplus CF (128, 256, etc meg) card
> in it and see what it will do... hundreds, if not thousands of options.

> When the 525 came out, the 20mb was more than sufficient.

> Also fyi, just remembered... the 525 is usb client only... no serial.

> Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]

At 07 Jun 2007 17:35:44 -0700 Anuva Yoosa wrote:
> thanks for making it rain dipsh1t

For someone looking for assistance and suggestions, you just sh*t on the
wrong guy, Skippy...

Bev Howard is one of the most helpful guys on this NG, and an expert on
PPCs, particularly older ones.

Plus, he doesn't curse (at least here- maybe he swears like sailor in the
privacy of his own home, I wouldn't know!) and knows how and when to use
uppercase letters. Two attributes you do not seem to share.

> now try to be as helpful and polite as possible or just skip this thread.



Given your attitude, I'll be skipping, as will many others most likely...
Bev's been here longer than you, and has made many friends here with his
advice and suggestions. Guess who we'd rather have around?


> i'm obviously trying to find some creative/W?BIC usefulness here, give
> me ideas or give me a break.


Break given. Have a nice life...

u can keep your lil' utopia Mrs. Tallcock, i'm not looking to take up
residence here

Bev got too negative and was blowing my high for this lil' revitalization
project, that ish wasn't necessary. we all already know possibilities are
very limited, otherwise I wouldn't be on a forum posting a question. u
gotta keep in mind ppl come here as a last resort and all that pretentious
condescending negative crap repliers give is frustrating and after
exhausting all other options and doing countless hours of googling, no one
wants to hear that sh*t

so stop tryna be a utopia and just do ya job and answer our damn questions


Todd Allcock wrote:

> At 07 Jun 2007 17:35:44 -0700 Anuva Yoosa wrote:
>> thanks for making it rain dipsh1t

> For someone looking for assistance and suggestions, you just sh*t on the
> wrong guy, Skippy...

> Bev Howard is one of the most helpful guys on this NG, and an expert on
> PPCs, particularly older ones.

> Plus, he doesn't curse (at least here- maybe he swears like sailor in the
> privacy of his own home, I wouldn't know!) and knows how and when to use
> uppercase letters. Two attributes you do not seem to share.

>> now try to be as helpful and polite as possible or just skip this thread.



> Given your attitude, I'll be skipping, as will many others most likely...
> Bev's been here longer than you, and has made many friends here with his
> advice and suggestions. Guess who we'd rather have around?


>> i'm obviously trying to find some creative/W?BIC usefulness here, give
>> me ideas or give me a break.


> Break given. Have a nice life...

Apologies if I rained on your project... many people come here with
expectations to push ppc's beyond their capabilities and often,
responses are an attempt to prevent a lot of wasted time effort and
frustration.

In your case, your op's painted a picture of someone with very limited
resources trying to turn a low cost opportunity to learn what they could
coupled with unrealistic expectations, and, since many of us (count the
posts specifically to you which have been given free to help you with
your quest) have gone down that path before you, your basis shift pretty
much told us we had been wasting our time trying to help.

Have fun with your project (assuming you can get over this) ...and, hope
you never have the occasion meet any of your targets face to face.

Thanks for the headers,
Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]