I'm trying to connect my ppc (Mio p550) to the internet using bluetooth
via my mobile phone (Motorola V620). I've set up the ppc to connect to
my mobile via bluetooth. The phone allows DUN. When I try to connect I
can see the mobile phone dialling but it then immediately cuts out. No
connection! If I manually dial the access number (Optus dial-up,
Australia) on the mobile I can hear the handshake tones and it doesn't
cut out.
Is there some sort of string I need to add to the connection number on
the ppc to establish a connection or something else I'm doing wrong?
Pete

At 28 Oct 2006 17:25:23 +1000 pmg wrote:
> I'm trying to connect my ppc (Mio p550) to the internet using bluetooth
via my mobile phone (Motorola V620). I've set up the ppc to connect to my
mobile via bluetooth. The phone allows DUN.

Does your carrier allow DUN? (In the GSM world, it's called CSD, or
Circuit Switch Data.) Mobile phones doen't really have "modems" in them
in the traditional sense- they simple relay packets of data to/from the
mobile service company who has to use their modems to connect your call.

With faster (and more expensive to the customer!) methods of data
available over mobile these days, many companies stopped supporting CSD,
or often will only activate it on request.


> When I try to connect I can see the mobile phone dialling but it then
immediately cuts out. No connection! If I manually dial the access number
(Optus dial-up, Australia) on the mobile I can hear the handshake tones
and it doesn't cut out.

CSD and voice calls are handled differently by the mobile service provider.
You phone is acting as if you don't have CSD enabled on your account.

> Is there some sort of string I need to add to the connection number on
the ppc to establish a connection or something else I'm doing wrong?

If a special string is needed for your mobile carrier, their technical
support people would likely have it.

Good luck!


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ThaTodd Allcock wrote:
> At 28 Oct 2006 17:25:23 +1000 pmg wrote:
>> I'm trying to connect my ppc (Mio p550) to the internet using bluetooth
> via my mobile phone (Motorola V620). I've set up the ppc to connect to my
> mobile via bluetooth. The phone allows DUN.
>
> Does your carrier allow DUN? (In the GSM world, it's called CSD, or
> Circuit Switch Data.) Mobile phones doen't really have "modems" in them
> in the traditional sense- they simple relay packets of data to/from the
> mobile service company who has to use their modems to connect your call.
>
> With faster (and more expensive to the customer!) methods of data
> available over mobile these days, many companies stopped supporting CSD,
> or often will only activate it on request.
>
>
>> When I try to connect I can see the mobile phone dialling but it then
> immediately cuts out. No connection! If I manually dial the access number
> (Optus dial-up, Australia) on the mobile I can hear the handshake tones
> and it doesn't cut out.
>
> CSD and voice calls are handled differently by the mobile service provider.
> You phone is acting as if you don't have CSD enabled on your account.
>
>> Is there some sort of string I need to add to the connection number on
> the ppc to establish a connection or something else I'm doing wrong?
>
> If a special string is needed for your mobile carrier, their technical
> support people would likely have it.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
Thanks Todd. Their tech support simply told me they did not support
mobiles....I guess that means they don't have CSD.
Pete

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:25:23 +1000, pmg <pmg@replytogroup.com.au>
wrote:

>I'm trying to connect my ppc (Mio p550) to the internet using bluetooth
>via my mobile phone (Motorola V620). I've set up the ppc to connect to
>my mobile via bluetooth. The phone allows DUN. When I try to connect I
>can see the mobile phone dialling but it then immediately cuts out. No
>connection! If I manually dial the access number (Optus dial-up,
>Australia) on the mobile I can hear the handshake tones and it doesn't
>cut out.
>Is there some sort of string I need to add to the connection number on
>the ppc to establish a connection or something else I'm doing wrong?
>Pete

Probably (given earlier posts) not relevant, but just in case:
I occasionally use one of my cell phones as a modem for my laptop. In
each case, I connect the cell phone and laptop via USB. The genuine
cell phone required a special driver on the laptop, but no
configuration on the cell phone. The Pocket PC Phone Edition requires
no special driver, but does need Wireless Modem running. In each case,
I configure (on the laptop) the connection as a DUN. And in each case,
I dial the same phone number at my ISP as I would use for a "real"
modem. Windows on the laptop claims each connection is 19 K, but I
think the real speed is much slower. Definitely not good for streaming
audio, let alone video. But OK for plain-text email or newsgroups.

This is definitely not nearly as clear as I would like. I can try to
be clearer, if it is actually relevant.

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r_z_aret@pen_fact.com wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:25:23 +1000, pmg <pmg@replytogroup.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to connect my ppc (Mio p550) to the internet using bluetooth
>> via my mobile phone (Motorola V620). I've set up the ppc to connect to
>> my mobile via bluetooth. The phone allows DUN. When I try to connect I
>> can see the mobile phone dialling but it then immediately cuts out. No
>> connection! If I manually dial the access number (Optus dial-up,
>> Australia) on the mobile I can hear the handshake tones and it doesn't
>> cut out.
>> Is there some sort of string I need to add to the connection number on
>> the ppc to establish a connection or something else I'm doing wrong?
>> Pete
>
> Probably (given earlier posts) not relevant, but just in case:
> I occasionally use one of my cell phones as a modem for my laptop. In
> each case, I connect the cell phone and laptop via USB. The genuine
> cell phone required a special driver on the laptop, but no
> configuration on the cell phone. The Pocket PC Phone Edition requires
> no special driver, but does need Wireless Modem running. In each case,
> I configure (on the laptop) the connection as a DUN. And in each case,
> I dial the same phone number at my ISP as I would use for a "real"
> modem. Windows on the laptop claims each connection is 19 K, but I
> think the real speed is much slower. Definitely not good for streaming
> audio, let alone video. But OK for plain-text email or newsgroups.
>
> This is definitely not nearly as clear as I would like. I can try to
> be clearer, if it is actually relevant.

Good info Robert. I have a mobile to USB cable but of course the PPC has
no USB port. That sounds like a good way of doing it (although I'm not
completely clear on what you are doing). What is PPC Phone Edition?
Perhaps I can somehow use this and bluetooth?
Pete
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On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 06:36:59 +1100, pmg <pmg@replytogroup.com.au>
wrote:

>r_z_aret@pen_fact.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:25:23 +1000, pmg <pmg@replytogroup.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm trying to connect my ppc (Mio p550) to the internet using bluetooth
>>> via my mobile phone (Motorola V620). I've set up the ppc to connect to
>>> my mobile via bluetooth. The phone allows DUN. When I try to connect I
>>> can see the mobile phone dialling but it then immediately cuts out. No
>>> connection! If I manually dial the access number (Optus dial-up,
>>> Australia) on the mobile I can hear the handshake tones and it doesn't
>>> cut out.

What do you do about user and password?


>>> Is there some sort of string I need to add to the connection number on
>>> the ppc to establish a connection or something else I'm doing wrong?
>>> Pete
>>
>> Probably (given earlier posts) not relevant, but just in case:
>> I occasionally use one of my cell phones as a modem for my laptop. In
>> each case, I connect the cell phone and laptop via USB. The genuine
>> cell phone required a special driver on the laptop, but no
>> configuration on the cell phone. The Pocket PC Phone Edition requires
>> no special driver, but does need Wireless Modem running. In each case,
>> I configure (on the laptop) the connection as a DUN. And in each case,
>> I dial the same phone number at my ISP as I would use for a "real"
>> modem. Windows on the laptop claims each connection is 19 K, but I
>> think the real speed is much slower. Definitely not good for streaming
>> audio, let alone video. But OK for plain-text email or newsgroups.
>>
>> This is definitely not nearly as clear as I would like. I can try to
>> be clearer, if it is actually relevant.
>
>Good info Robert. I have a mobile to USB cable but of course the PPC has
>no USB port. That sounds like a good way of doing it (although I'm not
>completely clear on what you are doing). What is PPC Phone Edition?

A Pocket PCs is a PDA without cell phone support, a Smartphone is a
cell phone with some PDA features, and a Pocket PC Phone Edition is a
Pocket PC with cell phone features.


>Perhaps I can somehow use this and bluetooth?

Not as an add in. You would have to replace your PPC with a PPC :Phone
Edition.

I just used google (http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search) to
look up
bluetooth modem pocket pc
and got 5560 hits. That would be a _lot_ to wade through, but I saw
some promising leads in the first few.


>Pete
>>
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<r_z_aret@pen_fact.com> wrote in message
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> What do you do about user and password?

I think he's trying to use his own dial-up ISP, IIRC, not his mobile
provider's data service. I suspect he'd use his "usual" login info.

>>Good info Robert. I have a mobile to USB cable but of course the PPC has
>>no USB port. That sounds like a good way of doing it (although I'm not
>>completely clear on what you are doing). What is PPC Phone Edition?
>
> A Pocket PCs is a PDA without cell phone support, a Smartphone is a
> cell phone with some PDA features, and a Pocket PC Phone Edition is a
> Pocket PC with cell phone features.

I suspected (back in my earlier post) that his mobile operator simply
doesn't allow CSD (using your own ISP on a data call) connections, or at the
very least must provision his account to use CSD.

>>Perhaps I can somehow use this and bluetooth?
>
> Not as an add in. You would have to replace your PPC with a PPC :Phone
> Edition.

I doubt changing hardware is going to solve this. He should be able to
connect over BT with his PPC and Moto phone (assuming, as he's said, the
phone supports DUN.) Unless his provider "crippled" the phone to disallow
tethering (as some USA-based carriers do!) his equipment should do what he
wants IF his provider supports CSD.

The OP mentioned he has a USB-to-PC cable. He should try connecting his PC
to the phone and dialing up from the PC. That would at least rule out the
PPC as the problem.

> I just used google (http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search) to
> look up
> bluetooth modem pocket pc
> and got 5560 hits. That would be a _lot_ to wade through, but I saw
> some promising leads in the first few.

Again, it's all up to the mobile operator as to what they allow on their
network and what they don't. If the OP can reach a knowledgeable tech
support person there they should be able to tell him. (When I initially
tried setting up a CSD connection between my PPC and phone with my mobile
phone company, Voicestream, now T-Mobile USA, several years ago, I asked the
tech support person if they knew what "CSD" was. When they said "no" I
thanked him, and asked him to connect me to someone who did!)

Todd Allcock wrote:
> <r_z_aret@pen_fact.com> wrote in message
> news:3ulkk2du8s9kefnsdvocrdbo71parlpi15@4ax.com...
>> What do you do about user and password?
>
> I think he's trying to use his own dial-up ISP, IIRC, not his mobile
> provider's data service. I suspect he'd use his "usual" login info.
>
>>> Good info Robert. I have a mobile to USB cable but of course the PPC has
>>> no USB port. That sounds like a good way of doing it (although I'm not
>>> completely clear on what you are doing). What is PPC Phone Edition?
>> A Pocket PCs is a PDA without cell phone support, a Smartphone is a
>> cell phone with some PDA features, and a Pocket PC Phone Edition is a
>> Pocket PC with cell phone features.
>
> I suspected (back in my earlier post) that his mobile operator simply
> doesn't allow CSD (using your own ISP on a data call) connections, or at the
> very least must provision his account to use CSD.
>
>>> Perhaps I can somehow use this and bluetooth?
>> Not as an add in. You would have to replace your PPC with a PPC :Phone
>> Edition.
>
> I doubt changing hardware is going to solve this. He should be able to
> connect over BT with his PPC and Moto phone (assuming, as he's said, the
> phone supports DUN.) Unless his provider "crippled" the phone to disallow
> tethering (as some USA-based carriers do!) his equipment should do what he
> wants IF his provider supports CSD.
>
> The OP mentioned he has a USB-to-PC cable. He should try connecting his PC
> to the phone and dialing up from the PC. That would at least rule out the
> PPC as the problem.
>
>> I just used google (http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search) to
>> look up
>> bluetooth modem pocket pc
>> and got 5560 hits. That would be a _lot_ to wade through, but I saw
>> some promising leads in the first few.
>
> Again, it's all up to the mobile operator as to what they allow on their
> network and what they don't. If the OP can reach a knowledgeable tech
> support person there they should be able to tell him. (When I initially
> tried setting up a CSD connection between my PPC and phone with my mobile
> phone company, Voicestream, now T-Mobile USA, several years ago, I asked the
> tech support person if they knew what "CSD" was. When they said "no" I
> thanked him, and asked him to connect me to someone who did!)
>
>
>
>
>
LOL.............we have the same guy working for Optus in Australia.
Pete

At 03 Nov 2006 17:25:56 -0600 r_z_aret@pen_fact.com wrote:

> When I use my cell phones as modems, I use the same number as when I
> dial in with a "real?" modem attached to my PC. As far as I can tell,
> the cell phone carriers can't see any difference between those calls
> and voice calls.

They certainly can, since they supply the actual modem (there is no
analog modem in your cellphone...)

> I've certainly never explicitly done anything about
> CSD, and most definitely have never paid extra.

Who is your carrier? T-Mobile traditionally provisioned CSD on accounts
automatically, at least back when I signed up in 2000. (I've read on
HowardForums you might have to ask for it now.) Cingular used to charge
$3.99/month for "data access" (but I signed up on a promo where it was
free, except, of course, that it used your minutes,) and AFAIK, Sprint
and Verizon have always allowed CSD without the user needing to request it.


AT&T Wireless was the worst for data- they never offered CSD on their
TDMA network, and when they switched to GSM they still disallowed it to
their customers (in order to make them to use their pricey "mMode" GPRS
service) but allowed roamers from other networks access to CSD (since a
minute's a minute when you're charging the customer high roaming rates!)

The fact that you've never asked for data access leads me to guess that
you've never used AT&T or Cingular for dial-up data.



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On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:48:32 -0700, "Todd Allcock"
<elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

>
><r_z_aret@pen_fact.com> wrote in message
>news:3ulkk2du8s9kefnsdvocrdbo71parlpi15@4ax.com...
>> What do you do about user and password?
>
>I think he's trying to use his own dial-up ISP, IIRC, not his mobile
>provider's data service. I suspect he'd use his "usual" login info.
>
>>>Good info Robert. I have a mobile to USB cable but of course the PPC has
>>>no USB port. That sounds like a good way of doing it (although I'm not
>>>completely clear on what you are doing). What is PPC Phone Edition?
>>
>> A Pocket PCs is a PDA without cell phone support, a Smartphone is a
>> cell phone with some PDA features, and a Pocket PC Phone Edition is a
>> Pocket PC with cell phone features.
>
>I suspected (back in my earlier post) that his mobile operator simply
>doesn't allow CSD (using your own ISP on a data call) connections, or at the
>very least must provision his account to use CSD.
>

When I use my cell phones as modems, I use the same number as when I
dial in with a "real?" modem attached to my PC. As far as I can tell,
the cell phone carriers can't see any difference between those calls
and voice calls. I've certainly never explicitly done anything about
CSD, and most definitely have never paid extra.


>
>
>
>

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On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 16:11:12 -0700, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

>At 03 Nov 2006 17:25:56 -0600 r_z_aret@pen_fact.com wrote:
>
>> When I use my cell phones as modems, I use the same number as when I
>> dial in with a "real?" modem attached to my PC. As far as I can tell,
>> the cell phone carriers can't see any difference between those calls
>> and voice calls.
>
>They certainly can, since they supply the actual modem (there is no
>analog modem in your cellphone...)
>
>> I've certainly never explicitly done anything about
>> CSD, and most definitely have never paid extra.
>
>Who is your carrier? T-Mobile traditionally provisioned CSD on accounts

My personal cell phones use Verizon. My work phones use T-Mobile.

My personal ISP is a local company called Software Tool & Die. My
company's ISP is a somewhat local company called Galaxy. I've
connected each of my cell phones to each of these. And each time, I
connect to the same number I use with my desktop and land-line modem.

I don't see the bills for T-Mobile, so I don't really know whether
I've generated charges for data connections; but I'm pretty sure the
accounting department would have asked if I had. I know I've never
been charged for any data connection on my Verizon accounts. And I
know I have never explicitly done anything on any of my phones or
accounts to enable CSD. Also, I wonder how the ISPs' "modems" (I know
their not really modems, but...) could handle land line and CSD
connections on one phone number.


>automatically, at least back when I signed up in 2000. (I've read on
>HowardForums you might have to ask for it now.) Cingular used to charge
>$3.99/month for "data access" (but I signed up on a promo where it was
>free, except, of course, that it used your minutes,) and AFAIK, Sprint
>and Verizon have always allowed CSD without the user needing to request it.

Do they charge extra?


>
>
>AT&T Wireless was the worst for data- they never offered CSD on their
>TDMA network, and when they switched to GSM they still disallowed it to
>their customers (in order to make them to use their pricey "mMode" GPRS
>service) but allowed roamers from other networks access to CSD (since a
>minute's a minute when you're charging the customer high roaming rates!)
>
>The fact that you've never asked for data access leads me to guess that
>you've never used AT&T or Cingular for dial-up data.

True.

>
>

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At 06 Nov 2006 16:06:40 -0600 r_z_aret@pen_fact.com wrote:

> My personal cell phones use Verizon. My work phones use T-Mobile.

You got lucky twice! Both Verizon and T-Mo allow DUN (dial-up networking)
without extra cost (although it uses your minutes up as you'd expect.)
> I don't see the bills for T-Mobile, so I don't really know whether
> I've generated charges for data connections; but I'm pretty sure the
> accounting department would have asked if I had.

They don't charge extra, but they do "flag" them on the bill (like they
flag calls to voicemail, fax calls, mobile-to-mobile, etc.)

> I know I've never
> been charged for any data connection on my Verizon accounts. And I
> know I have never explicitly done anything on any of my phones or
> accounts to enable CSD. Also, I wonder how the ISPs' "modems" (I know
> their not really modems, but...) could handle land line and CSD
> connections on one phone number.

CSD is transparent to the ISP- your cell phone provider uses a modem (or
it's equivalent) and connects to your ISP for you and sends the data
packets to/from your cellphone.

To your ISP it looks exactly like any other modem dialing in, albeit an
incredibly slow one. Verizon's DUN connections, IIRC, are 14.4kbps, T-Mo
is 9600bps.

Both Verizon and T-Mo offer much faster data rates for reasonable fees,
but you must use them as the ISP, which precludes stuff like dialing into
your office network directly, for example.


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On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 21:15:10 -0700, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

>At 06 Nov 2006 16:06:40 -0600 r_z_aret@pen_fact.com wrote:
>
>> My personal cell phones use Verizon. My work phones use T-Mobile.
>
>You got lucky twice! Both Verizon and T-Mo allow DUN (dial-up networking)
> without extra cost (although it uses your minutes up as you'd expect.)

:-)

clip


>
>CSD is transparent to the ISP- your cell phone provider uses a modem (or
>it's equivalent) and connects to your ISP for you and sends the data
>packets to/from your cellphone.

That's a lot of "magic"/gruntwork.


>
>To your ISP it looks exactly like any other modem dialing in, albeit an
>incredibly slow one. Verizon's DUN connections, IIRC, are 14.4kbps, T-Mo
>is 9600bps.

That's what my computer claims. The actual throughput seems slower.
But for some of my purposes, it's good enough.


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