I never got around to owning one of these, but honestly with
conventional Palms and PocketPC's and Smart Phones I saw them worthless.
The old Palm VIIx was more useful for me. But then again I have never
used a Blackberry.
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High Court Won't Hear BlackBerry Appeal

By TONI LOCY, Associated Press Writer 21 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Monday refused to hear an appeal from
the maker of the BlackBerry in the long-running battle over patents for
the wildly popular, handheld wireless e-mail device.
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The high court's refusal to hear Canada-based Research In Motion Ltd.'s
appeal means that a trial judge in Richmond, Va., could impose an
injunction against the company and block BlackBerry use among many of
its owners in the United States.

The justices had been asked to decide on whether U.S. patent law is
technologically out of date in the age of the Internet and the global
marketplace.

At issue was how U.S. law applies to technology that is used in a
foreign country and allegedly infringes on the intellectual property
rights of a patent-holder in the United States.

The justices were asked to decide whether Research In Motion can be held
liable for patent infringement when its main relay station for e-mail
and data transmission is located in Waterloo, Ontario, outside U.S.
borders.

RIM was challenging a ruling by a federal appeals court that found that
the company had infringed on the patents held by NTP Inc., a tiny
northern Virginia patent-holding company, because its customers use the
BlackBerry inside U.S. borders. The panel said it did not matter where
the relay station is located.
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_.-In alt.comp.sys.palmtops.pilot, John the Baptist Jr. wrote the following -._
> I never got around to owning one of these, but honestly with
> conventional Palms and PocketPC's and Smart Phones I saw them worthless.
> The old Palm VIIx was more useful for me. But then again I have never
> used a Blackberry.
> High Court Won't Hear BlackBerry Appeal

There is still hope that the USPS will strike down the patent:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/20/technology/20rim.html?ex=1292734800&en=79555f18fddb08d7&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

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Faux_Pseudo wrote:
> _.-In alt.comp.sys.palmtops.pilot, John the Baptist Jr. wrote the following -._
>
>>I never got around to owning one of these, but honestly with
>>conventional Palms and PocketPC's and Smart Phones I saw them worthless.
>>The old Palm VIIx was more useful for me. But then again I have never
>>used a Blackberry.
>>High Court Won't Hear BlackBerry Appeal
>
>
> There is still hope that the USPS will strike down the patent:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/20/technology/20rim.html?ex=1292734800&en=79555f18fddb08d7&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
>

The United States Postal Service?

John the Baptist Jr. wrote:
> I never got around to owning one of these, but honestly with
> conventional Palms and PocketPC's and Smart Phones I saw them worthless.

I don't think this is going to be the death of the Blackberry. If RIM's
attempts to get around the patent fail, then they'll license it from the
company that owns the patent. That is the patent holder's objective in
all of this anyway -- to get RIM to agree to pay licensing fees.

Basically, this lawsuit is about whether RIM has to pay license fees or
not; it's not about whether they're going to continue to make and sell
their devices.

- Logan

Of course, if RIM need to pay a license fee, that will be passed onto the
consumer in some form or another. This will help to increase the attraction
of the Microsoft Exchange 2003 SP2 approach of doing push e-mail to a
Windows Mobile 5 AKU2.0 device without any extra cost / infrastructure
components or external phone company contracts.

"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:VqcBf.31019$SD1.4283@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> John the Baptist Jr. wrote:
>> I never got around to owning one of these, but honestly with conventional
>> Palms and PocketPC's and Smart Phones I saw them worthless.
>
> I don't think this is going to be the death of the Blackberry. If RIM's
> attempts to get around the patent fail, then they'll license it from the
> company that owns the patent. That is the patent holder's objective in
> all of this anyway -- to get RIM to agree to pay licensing fees.
>
> Basically, this lawsuit is about whether RIM has to pay license fees or
> not; it's not about whether they're going to continue to make and sell
> their devices.
>
> - Logan

I don't think RIM would mind paying a license fee. However, instead of the
normal 0.5 % of sales most patent holders require, NTP wants 5.0 %.
RIM invented and developed the technology independently from the NTP patent,
they developed the products and the infrastructure.
The patent expires in the year 2012 by the way.

"Chris Jordan" <JordanChris@mail.com> wrote in message
news:%23TImzqGIGHA.2928@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Of course, if RIM need to pay a license fee, that will be passed onto the
> consumer in some form or another. This will help to increase the
> attraction of the Microsoft Exchange 2003 SP2 approach of doing push
> e-mail to a Windows Mobile 5 AKU2.0 device without any extra cost /
> infrastructure components or external phone company contracts.
>
> "Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:VqcBf.31019$SD1.4283@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>> John the Baptist Jr. wrote:
>>> I never got around to owning one of these, but honestly with
>>> conventional Palms and PocketPC's and Smart Phones I saw them worthless.
>>
>> I don't think this is going to be the death of the Blackberry. If RIM's
>> attempts to get around the patent fail, then they'll license it from the
>> company that owns the patent. That is the patent holder's objective in
>> all of this anyway -- to get RIM to agree to pay licensing fees.
>>
>> Basically, this lawsuit is about whether RIM has to pay license fees or
>> not; it's not about whether they're going to continue to make and sell
>> their devices.
>>
>> - Logan
>
>

the Blackberry will be saved politically...too much tied to the economy

"John the Baptist Jr." <johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:johnw_94020-9C679F.07430323012006@News-West.newsfeeds.com...
>I never got around to owning one of these, but honestly with
> conventional Palms and PocketPC's and Smart Phones I saw them
> worthless.
> The old Palm VIIx was more useful for me. But then again I have never
> used a Blackberry.
> ---
> High Court Won't Hear BlackBerry Appeal
>
> By TONI LOCY, Associated Press Writer 21 minutes ago
>
> WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Monday refused to hear an appeal
> from
> the maker of the BlackBerry in the long-running battle over patents
> for
> the wildly popular, handheld wireless e-mail device.
> ADVERTISEMENT
>
> The high court's refusal to hear Canada-based Research In Motion
> Ltd.'s
> appeal means that a trial judge in Richmond, Va., could impose an
> injunction against the company and block BlackBerry use among many of
> its owners in the United States.
>
> The justices had been asked to decide on whether U.S. patent law is
> technologically out of date in the age of the Internet and the global
> marketplace.
>
> At issue was how U.S. law applies to technology that is used in a
> foreign country and allegedly infringes on the intellectual property
> rights of a patent-holder in the United States.
>
> The justices were asked to decide whether Research In Motion can be
> held
> liable for patent infringement when its main relay station for e-mail
> and data transmission is located in Waterloo, Ontario, outside U.S.
> borders.
>
> RIM was challenging a ruling by a federal appeals court that found
> that
> the company had infringed on the patents held by NTP Inc., a tiny
> northern Virginia patent-holding company, because its customers use
> the
> BlackBerry inside U.S. borders. The panel said it did not matter where
> the relay station is located.
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> John 1:6-9 There came a man who was sent from God;
> his name was John. He came as a witness to testify
> concerning that light, so that through him all men
> might believe. He himself was not the light; he came
> only as a witness to the light.
> CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
> http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
>
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Gary Mount wrote:
> I don't think RIM would mind paying a license fee. However, instead of the
> normal 0.5 % of sales most patent holders require, NTP wants 5.0 %.
> RIM invented and developed the technology independently from the NTP patent,
> they developed the products and the infrastructure.
> The patent expires in the year 2012 by the way.
>
> "Chris Jordan" <JordanChris@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23TImzqGIGHA.2928@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
>>Of course, if RIM need to pay a license fee, that will be passed onto the
>>consumer in some form or another. This will help to increase the
>>attraction of the Microsoft Exchange 2003 SP2 approach of doing push
>>e-mail to a Windows Mobile 5 AKU2.0 device without any extra cost /
>>infrastructure components or external phone company contracts.
>>
>>"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:VqcBf.31019$SD1.4283@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>
>>>John the Baptist Jr. wrote:
>>>
>>>>I never got around to owning one of these, but honestly with
>>>>conventional Palms and PocketPC's and Smart Phones I saw them worthless.
>>>
>>>I don't think this is going to be the death of the Blackberry. If RIM's
>>>attempts to get around the patent fail, then they'll license it from the
>>>company that owns the patent. That is the patent holder's objective in
>>>all of this anyway -- to get RIM to agree to pay licensing fees.
>>>
>>>Basically, this lawsuit is about whether RIM has to pay license fees or
>>>not; it's not about whether they're going to continue to make and sell
>>>their devices.
>>>
>>> - Logan
>>
>>
>
>
NTP has shown its true colors as a self centered money grubber with that
as the basis of the RIM/NTP suite.

NTP offers nothing as a company but only as a holder of ideas for profit.

RIM will win out as it offers a already implemented service to our
government.

_.-In alt.comp.sys.palmtops.pilot, coorslte wrote the following -._
>> There is still hope that the USPS will strike down the patent:
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/20/technology/20rim.html?ex=1292734800&en=79555f18fddb08d7&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
>>
>
> The United States Postal Service?

That should have been USPTO. I was thinking of USPatentService.

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Paul G wrote:
> the Blackberry will be saved politically...too much tied to the
> economy

Eh?

"DarkSheer" <rdettl@_____dundee.net> wrote in message
news:8N-dnUxFYsyCUyLZnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@dundee.net...
> Paul G wrote:
>> the Blackberry will be saved politically...too much tied to the
>> economy
>
> Eh?

Regarding the Blackberry being tied to the economy, he's right on. WAY too
many people in the media, entertainment industry and with power (senators,
lawyers, judges) use Blackberries.

"Chance Hopkins" <chance_hopkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Regarding the Blackberry being tied to the economy, he's right on. WAY too
> many people in the media, entertainment industry and with power (senators,
> lawyers, judges) use Blackberries.
>


hmm - could also explain the Chrysler bailout and the proliferation of
hookers...

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On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:40:28 -0400, DarkSheer
<rdettl@_____dundee.net> wrote:
> Paul G wrote:
>> the Blackberry will be saved politically...too much tied to the
>> economy
>
> Eh?
>
I don't see a previous post. Is he replying to an old thread about the
patent case, which IIRC has been resolved?


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"xTenn" <xTennRemoveThisPart@tds.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Chance Hopkins" <chance_hopkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ONdmUzCrGHA.1140@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>> Regarding the Blackberry being tied to the economy, he's right on. WAY
>> too many people in the media, entertainment industry and with power
>> (senators, lawyers, judges) use Blackberries.
>>
>
>
> hmm - could also explain the Chrysler bailout and the proliferation of
> hookers...
>
>
>

Ahahahaha, that was too good.

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> many people in the media, entertainment industry and with power (senators,
> lawyers, judges) use Blackberries.

Yep. The US government relies heavily on the RIM and Blackberry
technologies. I don't know if that'll be enough clout for a buyout or save
of the system, but their reliance upon secure messaging is probably the most
widespread of any organization.
--
Brad "LCD" Adrian


"Chance Hopkins" <chance_hopkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ONdmUzCrGHA.1140@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> "DarkSheer" <rdettl@_____dundee.net> wrote in message
> news:8N-dnUxFYsyCUyLZnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@dundee.net...
>> Paul G wrote:
>>> the Blackberry will be saved politically...too much tied to the
>>> economy
>>
>> Eh?
>
> Regarding the Blackberry being tied to the economy, he's right on. WAY too
> many people in the media, entertainment industry and with power (senators,
> lawyers, judges) use Blackberries.
>
>
>